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of saying go to a plan that you know is going to cost human lives.

"of saying go to a plan that you know is going to cost human lives."

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Did you all have meetings where you would discuss what to do if the police came?

"Did you all have meetings where you would discuss what to do if the police came?"

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Mm-mmm. Not us.

"Mm-mmm. Not us."

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How about the grown-ups?

"How about the grown-ups?"

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They were to be upstairs by their self when they had their meetings.

"They were to be upstairs by their self when they had their meetings."

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When they had their meetings?

"When they had their meetings?"

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How often would they have their meetings?

"How often would they have their meetings?"

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- A lot of times. - A lot of times?

"- A lot of times. - A lot of times?"

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Do you ever know what went on in those meetings?

"Do you ever know what went on in those meetings?"

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Mm-mmm.

"Mm-mmm."

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What is a confrontation? Do you know?

"What is a confrontation? Do you know?"

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Like it was.

"Like it was."

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But what happens when you have a confrontation?

"But what happens when you have a confrontation?"

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What did you believe they might have had by way of firearms in that house?

"What did you believe they might have had by way of firearms in that house?"

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We were led to believe that they had automatic firearms.

"We were led to believe that they had automatic firearms."

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I guess just as well as equipped as we were.

"I guess just as well as equipped as we were."

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- To match or better than. - Or to have superior?

"- To match or better than. - Or to have superior?"

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That's correct, sir.

"That's correct, sir."

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We interrupt regular programming for this special report.

"We interrupt regular programming for this special report."

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where authorities continue preparations for an

"where authorities continue preparations for an"

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apparent confrontation with the radical group, MOVE.

"apparent confrontation with the radical group, MOVE."

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Let me tell you what's happened so far this morning.

"Let me tell you what's happened so far this morning."

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About two hours ago, 3:30 a.m.,

"About two hours ago, 3:30 a.m.,"

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utility crews moved into the area, shut off gas and electricity.

"utility crews moved into the area, shut off gas and electricity."

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You can see a fire truck behind me with a deluge gun pointed back that way.

"You can see a fire truck behind me with a deluge gun pointed back that way."

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It's aimed, apparently, at the MOVE house.

"It's aimed, apparently, at the MOVE house."

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It looks like the scene is set.

"It looks like the scene is set."

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And to be quite frank, I was sweating it out.

"And to be quite frank, I was sweating it out."

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What did Commissioner Sambor say, do you know?

"What did Commissioner Sambor say, do you know?"

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He was telling them to come out.

"He was telling them to come out."

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Did you hear him saying that?

"Did you hear him saying that?"

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when you read the arrest warrant that they vacate the premises?

"when you read the arrest warrant that they vacate the premises?"

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Would you tell us?

"Would you tell us?"

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They said that our wives would be sleeping with black men before the end of the day.

"They said that our wives would be sleeping with black men before the end of the day."

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I accepted it, sir, as some of their rhetoric...

"I accepted it, sir, as some of their rhetoric..."

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and attempts to incite the police and myself to precipitous action.

"and attempts to incite the police and myself to precipitous action."

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about, probably, 50 yards into the MOVE compound.

"about, probably, 50 yards into the MOVE compound."

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As you can see up the street, Tom, if you just pan up there,

"As you can see up the street, Tom, if you just pan up there,"

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as the cloud of tear gas, the haze, kind of begins to lift.

"as the cloud of tear gas, the haze, kind of begins to lift."

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to include the entire square block.

"to include the entire square block."

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Perhaps when the cloud clears, we'll know a little bit more.

"Perhaps when the cloud clears, we'll know a little bit more."

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What was the plan for May 13, 1985?

"What was the plan for May 13, 1985?"

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The tactical plan, as I understood it,

"The tactical plan, as I understood it,"

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was to remove the MOVE people, all the people,

"was to remove the MOVE people, all the people,"

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That was the objective.

"That was the objective."

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inserting the insertion teams on either side of the properties...

"inserting the insertion teams on either side of the properties..."

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and by then inducing an amount of C.S. gas...

"and by then inducing an amount of C.S. gas..."

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in a sufficient concentration...

"in a sufficient concentration..."

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The police presence here is not like it was the last time.

"The police presence here is not like it was the last time."

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This is being handled almost entirely by the stakeout unit.

"This is being handled almost entirely by the stakeout unit."

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The gunshots are starting right now.

"The gunshots are starting right now."

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It sounds like automatic fire, Steve. There's quite a bit of it.

"It sounds like automatic fire, Steve. There's quite a bit of it."

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We can't tell, Steve, at this point exactly where the gunfire is coming from.

"We can't tell, Steve, at this point exactly where the gunfire is coming from."

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- We'll get back to you as soon as we can. - Let's go.

"- We'll get back to you as soon as we can. - Let's go."

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- Who shot first? - They did.

"- Who shot first? - They did."

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And I take it you're familiar with the sound of automatic weapons fire.

"And I take it you're familiar with the sound of automatic weapons fire."

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I've heard automatic- Yes, sir.

"I've heard automatic- Yes, sir."

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Pat, as you can see, we have reestablished our live signal.

"Pat, as you can see, we have reestablished our live signal."

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Tremendous bursts of gunfire have rang out...

"Tremendous bursts of gunfire have rang out..."

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in the area of the 6200 block of Osage Avenue.

"in the area of the 6200 block of Osage Avenue."

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Walt Hunter has joined me. And, Walter, what have you learned?

"Walt Hunter has joined me. And, Walter, what have you learned?"

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We have heard several popping sounds here...

"We have heard several popping sounds here..."

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indicating that gunfire is getting much, much closer.

"indicating that gunfire is getting much, much closer."

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are police guns, MOVE guns or other guns.

"are police guns, MOVE guns or other guns."

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About the only thing we can confirm for you at this point...

"About the only thing we can confirm for you at this point..."

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is that clearly, based on the nature of the shoot-out we're seeing here this morning,

"is that clearly, based on the nature of the shoot-out we're seeing here this morning,"

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The firing, as initiated by MOVE,

"The firing, as initiated by MOVE,"

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uh, was...

"uh, was..."

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apparently automatic fire,

"apparently automatic fire,"

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But I do not believe for one minute...

"But I do not believe for one minute..."

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and there's a whole different set of laws...

"and there's a whole different set of laws..."

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as to the apprehension and the amount of force that can be used...

"as to the apprehension and the amount of force that can be used..."

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in the apprehension of and the prevention of the escape of forcible felons.

"in the apprehension of and the prevention of the escape of forcible felons."

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And where did you go when you went downstairs?

"And where did you go when you went downstairs?"

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- The garage. - Into the garage?

"- The garage. - Into the garage?"

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- But where were the men? - They were upstairs.

"- But where were the men? - They were upstairs."

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Do you know what they were doing?

"Do you know what they were doing?"

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- Do you feel that their rights- - I did not know that the children were not shooting.

"- Do you feel that their rights- - I did not know that the children were not shooting."

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What-Would you say that if we had children in there four, five, six years old...

"What-Would you say that if we had children in there four, five, six years old..."

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We would like to tell you that the shoot-out is over.

"We would like to tell you that the shoot-out is over."

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We cannot say that definitively.

"We cannot say that definitively."

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This is a highway patrol car racing into the scene.

"This is a highway patrol car racing into the scene."

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We'd like to tell you it's over. We really can't right now. There has been a pause.

"We'd like to tell you it's over. We really can't right now. There has been a pause."

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There are indications that what has been a tremendous gunfight is over.

"There are indications that what has been a tremendous gunfight is over."

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There's more gunfire right now. We're gonna crouch down.

"There's more gunfire right now. We're gonna crouch down."

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As you were about to say, the police are unloading, as you can see right now.

"As you were about to say, the police are unloading, as you can see right now."

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No, sir.

"No, sir."

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But I will say that, uh- uh, we ran out.

"But I will say that, uh- uh, we ran out."

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Uh, we did not anticipate,

"Uh, we did not anticipate,"

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uh, the extent of the confrontation,

"uh, the extent of the confrontation,"

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Uh, I don't know what time it was, but it was some time in the morning.

"Uh, I don't know what time it was, but it was some time in the morning."

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What's happening is, it's a shoot-out.

"What's happening is, it's a shoot-out."

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Oh, man, and those kids and all that-

"Oh, man, and those kids and all that-"

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I was very, very frightened.

"I was very, very frightened."

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You supposed to nip something in the bud.

"You supposed to nip something in the bud."

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If you see something's coming, you're supposed

"If you see something's coming, you're supposed"

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to sit down and try to iron it out...

"to sit down and try to iron it out..."

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before something like this comes to this stage.

"before something like this comes to this stage."

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It's war. This is war.

"It's war. This is war."

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I've never seen it, but I've lived through it today.

"I've never seen it, but I've lived through it today."

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And then as you heard, about a minute and a half ago, another burst of gunfire.

"And then as you heard, about a minute and a half ago, another burst of gunfire."

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This woman is now being taken into police custody.

"This woman is now being taken into police custody."

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She is hysterical and is clearly upset about what's going on in there.

"She is hysterical and is clearly upset about what's going on in there."

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Just trying to get her out of the danger area where we are on the fringes right now.

"Just trying to get her out of the danger area where we are on the fringes right now."

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might be in physical danger or that their lives might be in danger?

"might be in physical danger or that their lives might be in danger?"

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Concern? We knew it.

"Concern? We knew it."

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We had- You had 200 boot-kicking,

"We had- You had 200 boot-kicking,"

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who was in the 1978, uh, tragedy...

"who was in the 1978, uh, tragedy..."

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who was, in fact, one of the officers who stomped and kicked...

"who was, in fact, one of the officers who stomped and kicked..."

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and beat and bludgeoned...

"and beat and bludgeoned..."

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and shot and helmeted and kicked some more...

"and shot and helmeted and kicked some more..."

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my brother, Delbert Africa.

"my brother, Delbert Africa."

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So as I understand your testimony,

"So as I understand your testimony,"

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to the people inside that house, is that correct?

"to the people inside that house, is that correct?"

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Would you turn up your hearing aid, please?

"Would you turn up your hearing aid, please?"

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- My question is- - Well, then if you can hear me fine,

"- My question is- - Well, then if you can hear me fine,"

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if you don't have a hearing aid, I suggest you get one.

"if you don't have a hearing aid, I suggest you get one."

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- Well, because- - Excuse me!

"- Well, because- - Excuse me!"

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To ask me...

"To ask me..."

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were we concerned is complete insanity.

"were we concerned is complete insanity."

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